BRENDAN DAVIS | Big Finale in the Middle Kingdom

Okay! All good things must come to an end, and in this - the last episode of "Big Fish in the Middle Kingdom" - I say THANK YOU to many of the people who've helped me make it as good as it can be.

Okay! All good things must come to an end, and in this - the last episode of “Big Fish in the Middle Kingdom” - I say THANK YOU to many of the people who’ve helped me make it as good as it can be. The catalog of over 120 shows will stay live forever, but to hear me on NEW shows, please search and visit “If I Knew You Better” or “How China Works”.

Thanks for over 2 great years!

Brendan

MORE: https://www.crazyinagoodway.com

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MICHAEL NAKAN | Strengthening the China-UK Creative Connection

Michael Nakan is the founder of Clipper Media Capital, a London-based production and consulting company. He cut his Hollywood teeth on the US version of "House of Cards" and then in NYC at HBO before returning home to the UK. He's also established a China office of his UK firm and is successfully bridging the gap between the two markets.

Michael Nakan is the founder of Clipper Media Capital, a London-based production and packaging company. He cut his Hollywood teeth on the US version of “House of Cards” and then in NYC at HBO before returning home to the UK to work in development for DARKEST HOUR director Joe Wright. He's also established a China office of his UK firm and is successfully bridging the gap between the two markets. A great talk!

MICHAEL NAKAN / Clipper Media Capital: https://www.clippermedia.co.uk

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STEVEN D. KATZ | Writing A Classic, Teaching Michael Jackson, & More

Steve Katz has possibly the eclectic background and resume of anyone I've ever spoken to. His early influences in the 1960s, like Ray Harryhausen and Famous Monsters magazine, mixed with watching rehearsals at the nearby Westport Country Playhouse with visiting directors like Woody Allen to the influence and support of his parents to propel him into an artistic life from the very beginning.

Steve Katz has possibly the most eclectic background and resume of anyone I’ve ever spoken to. His early influences in the 1960s, like Ray Harryhausen and Famous Monsters magazine, mixed with watching rehearsals at the nearby Westport Country Playhouse with visiting directors like Woody Allen to the influence and support of his parents to propel him into an artistic life from the very beginning. That led him to, among other things: learning film cameras via a cousin in New York who worked on TV shows like “Car 54, Where Are You?”; putting together psychedelic light shows in NYC at places like the Fillmore East and working with bands like The Grateful Dead, The Doors, The Byrds, and Sly & The Family Stone starting at age 19; playing bluegrass banjo; working on John McTiernan’s first film; befriending “Saturday Night Live” writing legend Michael O’Donoghue and seeing a legendary short film he directed, “The Clams”, go on to open a season of “SNL” and catch a big break as a TV writer; he continued to work and grow and eventually established himself as a writer-director-producer in Hollywood; created the first digital previz on the feature Clear and Present Danger; and eventually, all his experience brought him to - yes - China, where he has been involved in many projects big and small. But of all the references I just name-checked, the one that originally cemented Steve’s name in my mind back in the day was that he wrote a truly legendary cinema book called Film Directing: Shot by Shot, published by the then-upstart Michael Weise Productions. It was released in 1992, which is when I was in film school, and it instantly became required reading in my Film Production courses! It’s familiar blue cover was updated a few years ago to announce the new, 25th anniversary edition, which was freshly and thoroughly revised for the digital age. It’s easily the film book I have gifted to more people than any other, and it was a real treat to get to hear some of Steve’s stories in-depth. Among the crazy but true tales already mentioned, we scratch the surface on Steve’s several engagements as Michael Jackson’s personal filmmaking tutor - a story he has NEVER told before! Steve was resident at the Neverland Ranch for months at a time, was flown into luxury hotels to work with the star, sometimes just watching movies late at night. He also saw things in his time around MJ that will likely merit another show entirely, but we will have much more on that topic another day. We even overlap on his interest in the intersection between art and neuroscience, among many other wonky and highly specific topics. To top it off, he’s also a good friend of one of my best friends, Kevin Geiger, so the “small world” meter is off the charts with this one for me. More on all that later. For now, though, you can visit the blog post at https://www.crazyinagoodway.com/knew-resources for links, contact information, and I hope you enjoy this epic conversation with Steven Katz!

STEVEN KATZ links:
BOOK - Film Directing: Shot by Shot - 25th Anniversary Edition: Visualizing from Concept to Screen by Steven D. Katz: https://mwp.com/product/film-directing-shot-shot-25th-anniversary-edition-visualizing-concept-screen/
WEB - https://www.shotbyshotbook.com

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KEVIN GEIGER | Revenge of the Fretful Laowai Radio Hour!

Returning champion Kevin Geiger (Magic Dumpling, Peewee Frog; ex-Disney) is back for another freewheeling China chat! We start with an outline and let it rip from there. Big fun, and a big reason I rebooted the podcast.

Returning champion Kevin Geiger (Magic Dumpling, Peewee Frog; ex-Disney) is back for another freewheeling China chat! We start with an outline and let it rip from there. Big fun, and a big reason I rebooted the podcast. We talk about returning home & expat ennui (hence the “Fretful Laowai” show handle), our new projects, how to (and how NOT to) package and produce a feature film (note: it really helps if you hire a rockstar cinematographer, and then he brings on partners who’ve worked on Green Book, the latest Star Wars, Interstellar, etc) and lastly: how to tell if you’ve been in China for too damn long. Enjoy!

KEVIN GEIGER links:
Peewee Frog books http://peeweefrog.com/news.html
Magic Dumpling Entertainment www.magicdumpling.com
Huhu Studios http://huhustudios.com
《神隐桃花源》“Shen Yin Tao Hua Yuan” / “Hidden in the Peach Blossom Garden” https://www.awn.com/blog/breaking-boundaries-beijing

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CARL KING | Creating Your Own Path (series finale)

CARL KING is a true polymath: someone who's professionally good at many things. He's a screenwriter, published book author, composer, engineer, director, producer, & more. Carl has worked with numerous legends in the progressive music and geek culture scenes, including Dweezil Zappa, Steve Vai, Kevin Smith, the late Jon Schnepp, Brendon Small, and many others.

CARL KING is a true polymath: someone who’s professionally good at many things. He’s a screenwriter, published book author, composer, engineer, director, producer, & more. Carl has worked with numerous legends in the progressive music and geek culture scenes, including Dweezil Zappa, Steve Vai, Kevin Smith, the late Jon Schnepp, Brendon Small, and many others. And among his massive credits list, Carl created our theme music! So since Carl’s work (with drums by Mike Stone!) is the FIRST thing you hear on this podcast, I thought it made sense to have him on as my LAST regular guest on the show, too. Wait - last show, you say? What!? More details in the show. Enjoy! 

CARL KING links:
WEB: http://carlkingdom.com
MUSIC: https://shop.carlkingdom.com/collections/digital-downloads/products/sir-millard-mulch-how-to-sell-collection-2-failure-digital-download

MIKE STONE on Drums!
https://www.facebook.com/mike.stone1

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BRENDAN DAVIS | 2019 Kickoff, aka My Birthday Show

Welcome to 2019! I'm jumping the show numbers ahead to reflect the actual number of shows released so far. And I'm in Los Angeles this week & for awhile in general, so I'm making some other changes & expanding the idea of what's possible.

Welcome to 2019! I'm in Los Angeles this week & for awhile in general, so I’m making some other changes & expanding the idea of what’s possible. Check out today’s show, which doubles as my January solocast, to hear all the latest. Cheers!

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KEVIN GEIGER | “Return of The Fretful Laowai Radio Hour"

On this special lucky Holiday Edition of the show (#88!), Kevin Geiger and I talk about: his wife Wen's recent award-winning VR project on the Dunhuang Caves, the value and necessity of offshore creative development, his new children's book, my writing ambitions, upcoming LA and Paris trips, and the future of this show - including a BIG ANNOUNCEMENT.

#088: KEVIN GEIGER | “Return of The Fretful Laowai Radio Hour"

On this special lucky Holiday Edition of the show (#88!), Kevin Geiger and I talk about: his wife Wen Feng’s recent award-winning VR project on the Dunhuang Caves, the value and necessity of offshore creative development, his new children’s book, my writing ambitions, upcoming LA and Paris trips, and the future of this show - including a BIG ANNOUNCEMENT. Enjoy! 

Kevin Geiger / Wen Feng LINKS:
Dunhuang VR project: https://www.awn.com/blog/three-keys-compelling-vr

BONNY BUNNY’S BABY BROTHER:
“Bonny Bunny’s world was PERFECT... until her baby brother BILLY came into it.”
iBooks: https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/bonny-bunnys-baby-brother/id1444540255
Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07KXKMKKB

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GIANLUIGI PERRONE | International Filmmaking in China

This week's guest is Italian writer-director-producer Gianluigi Perone. Gian applies his passion for and training in neuroscience to his cinematic efforts. In his wide and varied career so far he's worked with, been mentored by, or has significantly crossed paths with cinema legends like Argento, Bava, Jodorowsky, and Tarantino, among others, and he is a fascinating guy to chat with in general.

This week’s guest has been on my wish list since I first had the idea for the show, and we finally made it happen. Italian writer-director-producer Gianluigi Perrone is something of a Renaissance man. He’s been an author, the screenwriter of cult film Morituris, a film critic and editor of Italian genre journal Nocturno, a director or producer of both occult projects like The 7th Night of Thelema as well as family films, and he’s now a pioneering director and creator of VR projects in China, who applies his passion for and training in neuroscience to his cinematic efforts. In his wide and varied career so far he’s worked with, been mentored by, or has significantly crossed paths with cinema legends like Argento, Bava, Jodorowsky, and Tarantino, among others, and he is a fascinating guy to chat with.

Gian is someone who I see too infrequently, and whenever we sit down, several hours pass and I don't even notice. When we met for this show, we talked for over an hour before we started, then we recorded for an hour and a half, and then we talked a good while afterwards. It’s always a blast to chat with him, and there are far more funny stories in this show than in a usual episode. Gian’s experiences and insights on the state of the film market in China - and on the real secrets of how to do business here in general, and on the shift to longer-term thinking that’s happening here and what that means for all of us in particular - are GOLD. Hint: read The Art Of War. Great show! Enjoy.

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GUEST -
GIANLUIGI PERRONE / PolyhedronVR:
https://www.polyhedronvrstudio.com/

“BFMK" HOST / SHOW:“Big Fish in the Middle Kingdom” on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BigFishMiddleKingdom/

Brendan Davis on WeChat: BrendanDavis
Brendan Davis on Twitter: @VeritasInLux
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MARC ISERLIS | Marketing & Branding from a Third Culture Perspective

Marc Iserlis is an American "third culture kid" raised by Russian parents in Singapore. Marc attended British school, learned Russian from his parents at home, studied Mandarin, and has worked and traveled both in mainland China and extensively throughout central as well as southern Asia.

Marc Iserlis is an American "third culture kid" raised by Russian parents in Singapore. Marc attended British school, learned Russian from his parents at home, studied Mandarin, and has worked and traveled both in mainland China and extensively throughout central as well as southern Asia. He has grown up with a very unique perspective on the world and is working hard to best sort out how to bridge the various gaps that exist between our various cultures.

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GUEST:
Marc Iserlis on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marc-iserlis-02848a13/

“BFMK" HOST / SHOW:
“Big Fish in the Middle Kingdom” on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BigFishMiddleKingdom/
Brendan Davis on WeChat: BrendanDavis
Brendan Davis on Twitter: @VeritasInLux
Other links to LISTEN: https://www.crazyinagoodway.com/podcast-links/

BRENDAN DAVIS ON "FEI'S WORLD" PODCAST

Today the new episode of Fei Wu's podcast "Fei's World" was released, and it features me - "Big Fish in the Middle Kingdom" host Brendan Davis.

You can read Fei's excellent Show Notes and find the episode here: https://www.feisworld.com/blog/brendan-davis

In it, we discuss my unsettled childhood, spending my 20s as an aspiring pro rock guitarist, my years as a film and TV technician based out of Atlanta, Georgia, how 9-11 spurred my move to Los Angeles to commit to my creative filmmaking career, and ultimately, my interest in and eventual move to China. 

Basically: If you REALLY want to know what makes me tick, this is a great starting point.

The episode also contains practical tips for happy expat living and lots of laughs, so it's not all "heavy", but it is by far the most personal, in-depth interview anyone has ever done with me, and I think Fei and her team did a great job putting it together with skill and sensitivity. It inspires me to up my game, and if you listen to it, I hope you enjoy. 

Appearance on CGTN's "CULTURE EXPRESS": January 15, 2018

I just popped up on CGTN's "Culture Express" again today my time, this time adding my two cents' worth on The Last Jedi's massive China fail, Coco's historic success, the impact of the Chinese market on Hollywood, and what a winning strategy must consider moving forward. 

You can check out the segment here: https://news.cgtn.com/news/7a6b6a4e78677a6333566d54/share.html

Thanks again for having me, Jennifer and Stella! 

LIVE Event: "BECOMING AN ENTREPRENEUR FOR LIFE"

Bonus Episode, Nov 25, 2017 - “Becoming an Entrepreneur For Life” | Entrepreneur’s Organization (EO), Beijing Sanlitun chapter

Today I am happy to share another special LIVE episode with you, a panel presentation on the topic of "Becoming an Entrepreneur For Life”. The event was sponsored by the EO Beijing Sanlitun chapter, and was recorded from the naked HUB in Sanlitun.

For more information on the numerous speakers and sponsors, please search them using the information below. Enjoy!

Speakers:
Mike Wester (host) - Founder & CEO, True Run Media
Claudia Masueger - Founder & CEO, CHEERS Wines
Katherine Lui - Founder & Managing Partner, CanAsia Consulting
Christopher Dobbing - Founder & CEO, Cambridge Masks
Stacy Palestrant - Founder & CEO, Elite Scholars of China
AJ Warner - Co-Founder & Board Member, Touchdown!

Sponsors:
EO Beijing Sanlitun
naked HUB
Gung-Ho Pizza
CHEERS Wines
Awa Health

EO Beijing Sanlitun contact (AJ Warner):
email - ajwarner@touchdown.org.cn
WeChat - ajwarner

Entrepreneurs' Organization:  
https://www.eonetwork.org

Ronald Paredes (“BFMK” logo):
WeChat, Instagram, Facebook - mundosanto

Brendan Davis on WeChat:
BrendanDavis

Brendan Davis on Twitter:
@VeritasInLux

BFMK website:
https://www.crazyinagoodway.com 

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CORO URDANETA: Interior Architecture in China

#026 - Interior Architecture in China | Coro Urdaneta

My guest this week is architect Coro Urdaneta. Much like previous guest Ronald Paredes, Coro left the upheaval in Venezuela to seek a better life for herself. Her first stop was Miami in the US, but China was next, and in 6 short years Coro has established herself very well in Beijing with her work designing the interior architecture of Moka Bros, the Q-Mex Taqueria, La Social, Mosto, and many other local F&B standouts.

In “small world” news, I happened to meet her youngest brother Rafael last night while out and about. The expat community here in Beijing is very close-knit, and the more I dive into it, the smaller it becomes as well. 

Links to contact Coro or me or to find out more about the show are below. Enjoy!

CoroMoto website: 
coromotoad.com

Brendan Davis on WeChat:
BrendanDavis

Brendan Davis on Twitter:
@VeritasInLux

BFMK website:
https://www.crazyinagoodway.com 

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My Tom Petty Story

Since I work to keep the podcast episodes evergreen and not get into current events in them, my new favorite way of procrastinating when it's time to edit each week's show is to record a short video about my thoughts on the week. 

In light of all the awful news from back home and the heightened geopolitical tensions around the world right now, I wanted to share a story that made me smile when I remembered it due to the untimely passing of musical legend Tom Petty... 

*Spoiler alert* I didn't meet him in person; it was on a phone call. But still, I thought it was a funny little random story and worth sharing, in a time of such otherwise wretched news. It involves Athens, Georgia, a crappy telemarketing job at a place called DialAmerica, and my (then) young musician's sense of ethics.

Enjoy!

JESSE WEINER: Entertainment Law in China

#019 - Entertainment Law in China | Jesse Weiner

This week’s episode features Jesse Weiner. Jesse is an entertainment lawyer with 10 years experience living and working in China. And although he is based back in Los Angeles now, Jesse expects to spend much more time coming back to China now that the entertainment business here is reaching a new stage of maturation. 

First, a few housekeeping notes:

As long time listeners are aware, the release day of the show each week has shifted around a bit since I first launched. This has been due to a variety of reasons, but the last two weeks have drifted to Thursday and I think that will become the new home for now. A practical benefit of this has to do with the time difference between the US and China, and how that affects information flow back and forth, which is often a factor.

For instance, in the unedited raw interview for this episode, Jesse spent about five minutes discussing a particular business deal he had been in the middle of, now closed, that is unprecedented and very interesting. If I released this episode with that chunk of information, it would've been a Big Fish exclusive! But of course, the clients have their own timetable for when they are going to put out their press release, which is “not yet”...and the back-and-forth between the US and China to nail that down pushed us an extra day this week. So I pulled that little chunk out of the final interview. Once the news is announceable, though, I will release it as a very short bonus feature for this episode.

There is a great deal of information in this one, with something for everyone, but lots that is especially of interest to my friends working in the film and TV business internationally or those who follow it. We talk about the current state of evolution of the industry, and do a deep dive into the mechanics of what works and what doesn't work between these two business cultures. 

Also, it turns out that Jesse actually had a pretty cool story before ever deciding to enter law school. He has a graduate education in music, and initially came to China as a composer and conductor as well as being a professor at the Central Conservatory, which is the most preeminent music school in China. In the episode he draws a parallel between conducting music and the practice of law that I think probably only he could make, so check it out.  

My last note is that while many of the recent few shows lately have had a heavy entertainment business focus, the next few episodes will shift things up a bit. If you’d like to give me feedback about the show in any way, please contact me at the links below. Thanks!

Jesse Weiner:
http://www.yingkeinternational.com/office/united-states
jesseweiner@yingkelawyer.com

Brendan Davis on Twitter:
@VeritasInLux

BFMK website:
https://www.crazyinagoodway.com

BFMK Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/BigFishMiddleKingdom/

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STEVE BARR: Screenwriting and Producing in L.A., New Zealand, and Beijing

#006 - Screenwriting and Producing in L.A., New Zealand, and Beijing | Steve Barr

“Over the last 30 years, they (China) have raised more people out of poverty than ever before in the history of the human race, which is amazing. (Most of) the young people in China have such an optimistic view of the future because their life has gotten better every single year.” - Steve Barr

This week’s episode was recorded on location from the 2017 Shanghai Film Festival, but the guest is one of my best friends from L.A. Steve Barr is a writer, producer, and occasional actor who has worked and traveled extensively throughout and between the very different film industries in Los Angeles, China, and New Zealand. His recent credits in one or more of those capacities include Born to Dance, Chronesthesia, Hang Time, and the remake of Pete’s Dragon, in which he had a small but memorable supporting role.

In this interview, Steve discusses the unique challenges and opportunities inherent to the various filmmaking systems, and he explains his working process with a level of detail and candor that will be especially useful to anyone working in a creative industry such as film. He also shares lessons and thoughts that will particularly resonate with anyone who’s spent significant time in China, but which are applicable to travelers in foreign lands regardless.

We cover a lot of ground in this one. As we say in the interview, I want to give full disclosure upfront that Steve and I are not only long time friends, but that we are and have been business colleagues in all three countries, too. Steve was a part of my previous company based in L.A., we are currently partners in a film production company in New Zealand with our friend Andy Conlan, and the partners in my Beijing film company hired him to write the screenplay for an upcoming historical epic film of ours. Steve is now part of that company too, so there are a lot of interrelationships here. Still, we make a serious effort to not be overly self-serving, as the goal of discussing some of our projects past and present is not promotional, but educational and practical. Because we have lots of shared real-world examples to draw from in our discussion, it helps us to be much more real than if we stayed strictly theoretical.

The episode is now available on Apple Podcasts, on most of the popular Android / Google apps, on the Chinese service Ximalaya - please search it in your favorite of those places - and of course on the Podcast player here. Of course I’m biased, but I do think it’s a fun conversation, and I hope you enjoy it! Please tell a friend, subscribe, or send me feedback below as you like. 

"BFMK" Website:
https://www.crazyinagoodway.com

Brendan Davis on Twitter:
@VeritasInLux

Steve Barr on Twitter:
@BarrSteve

Steve Barr writing website (with Casey Zilbert):
http://www.scwheelbarrow.com

Carl King (composer):
http://carlkingdom.com